Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 16:14:24 -0400 From: Zorgalfish at aol.com To: johnny at charm.net Subject: defining complexity Hi Ms. Bonning- here are some attempts at a definition: complexity: stuff that even really smart people can't figure out a tangled mess of inelegant crap phenomena for which the model takes up more space, time, and energy than the phenomena itself stuff that can't be modeled marriage the quality inherent in a supposedly closed system that makes it neither closed nor a system oodles of seemingly random noodles of googles a mythical quality like "phlogiston" and "ether" ascribed to stuff we're stumped by The LA freeway system Breslin A '85